Place Betting Methods
We will take a £1000 betting bank as an example but you can start with however much you can afford, this horse racing system works for everybody! Simply divide your betting bank by 100, so for a £1000 bank this figure is £10. So £10 is the amount you should place on your first ever race. Betting and Playing Strategies - Betting Guide - Predictions from our experts here in Clevertips.net. A place bet requires the bettor to select a runner to finish first, second or third. Place means to finish in the top three places. The odds for a place bet are shorter than those for a win bet on the same runner, as it is far more likely the runner will finish inside top three than win. Click this link to discover it all: This exclusive handicapping service is where members.
1. How Often Does a Horse Run a Place?
Over the years, I’ve had a number of punters ask me about place betting strategies and whether they are likely to win. On the surface it seems like a good idea to find horses that you really like to win and then back them to place. You will enjoy more regular collects, turn what would have been some losing days into winning days and the profits will slowly accumulate, right?
Unfortunately, what is good in theory doesn’t often translate to practice and that’s certainly the case with place betting. The reality is that on average, the value in place betting markets is significantly less than win betting markets and is therefore much more difficult to profit from.
To properly analyse the merits of place betting you first need to understand how often a horse that has a certain chance of winning, will actually run a place.Consider an example where you like a horse in the market at $6.00 and believe it’s closer to a $4.80 or $5.00 chance. Do you know how often this horse can be expected to run a place?
In the example above, assuming your $4.80 to $5.00 assessed price is correct, you can expect the horse to run a place (1st to 3rd) 52% – 53% of the time.It’s easy to think that you like a horse so much and feel so confident about its chance of winning, that it’s almost certain to run a place, but the reality is far different.
The table below shows the historical place strike rate of horses based on their true win price / actual win percentage.
True Win Price | Actual Win % | Actual Place % |
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$2.00 | 50.0% | 81.0% |
$2.00 | 40.0% | 74.0% |
$3.00 | 33.3% | 68.0% |
$4.00 | 25.0% | 59.0% |
$5.00 | 20.0% | 52.0% |
$7.50 | 13.3% | 41.0% |
$10.00 | 10.0% | 34.0% |
$15.00 | 6.7% | 26.0% |
$21.00 | 4.8% | 20.5% |
$26.00 | 3.8% | 17.0% |
$31.00 | 3.2% | 15.5% |
$51.00 | 2.0% | 10.5% |
Note: This does not mean that a horse $5.00 in the market has a 52% place chance.
On average horses at $5.00 in the market only win approximately 18% of the time, not 20%. They’re true win price is closer to $5.50, which means they will run a place approximately 49.5% of the time.Once you have an understanding of the expected place strike rate for a horse’s true winning chance, you can work out the correct place price.
Two Place Prices
Actual Win % | True Win Price | Actual Place % | True Place Price |
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50.0% | $2.00 | 81.0% | $1.23 |
40.0% | $2.50 | 74.0% | $1.35 |
33.3% | $3.00 | 68.0% | $1.47 |
25.0% | $4.00 | 59.0% | $1.69 |
20.0% | $5.00 | 52.0% | $1.92 |
13.3% | $7.50 | 41.0% | $2.44 |
10.0% | $10.00 | 34.0% | $2.94 |
6.7% | $15.00 | 26.0% | $3.85 |
4.8% | $21.00 | 20.5% | $4.88 |
3.8% | $26.00 | 17.0% | $5.88 |
3.2% | $31.00 | 15.5% | $6.45 |
2.0% | $51.00 | 10.5% | $9.52 |
Example: If you assess that a horse’s real chance of winning 20%, then it’s true win price should be $5.00 and its true place price should be $1.92
It’s no surprise that multitudes of strategies have been developed around place betting the (6) & (8) as these numbers give the craps player one of the be best advantages of beating the casinos.
First of all, both the (6) and the (8) are the numbers likely to roll most often, next to the (7). There are 5 ways to roll (6), 5 ways to roll an (8), and 6 ways to roll a (7).
It doesn’t stop there. Here’s are some more advantages of Place Betting the (6) and/or (8).
- Place Bets only need to be hit once to win, versus a Pass Line or Come Bet, which needs to be hit twice
- The payout on a Place Bets exceeds that of Pass Line or Come Bets at lower betting levels
- It takes approximately 5X odds before the benefits of PL/Come Bets exceed that of Place Bets
- Place Bets can be made or taken down at any time the player wants versus PL/Come bets which are contract bets
- The player controls the numbers that are bet, versus the roll of the dice being the determining factor
- Already mentioned, the (6) and (8) are most likely to be rolled aside from the (7)
- Betting both the (6) and (8) gives you a 10 to 6 advantage of one of your numbers hitting before the (7)
- The house edge on place betting the (6) or (8) is only 1.52%, one of the lowest on the table
If the toolbox of strategies you bring to the craps tables does not include a (6) and (8) strategy, then it might be time to find one that works for you.
We’ll cover a few of the most popular, and some not-so-popular 6/8 strategies for you to assess and possibly include in your own repertoire of strategies.
Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge.
All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table.
6 & 8 Collect and Press
- Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
- Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
- 1st Hit – Collect and rack the $14 in winnings (you now only have $10 of your money at risk)
- 2nd Hit – Press your bet to $24
- 3rd Hit – Collect and rack the $28 in winnings (now your up $20)
- 4th Hit – Press your bet to $48
- From here, you can either continue alternately ‘collecting’ and ‘pressing’ your bets through the end of the roll or take down your bets at any point in the progression you want.
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6 & 8 One Unit Continuous Press
- Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
- Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
- 1st Hit – Win $14 – Press your bet by $6 to $18 (collect & rack $8)
- 2nd Hit – Win $21 – Press your bet by $6 to $24 (collect & rack $15)
- 3rd Hit – Win $28 – Press your bet by $6 to $30 (collect & rack $22)
- 4th Hit – Win $35 – Press your bet by $6 to $36 (collect & rack $29)
- Either continue to press one unit each time one of your numbers hits, or take down one or both of your bets at any point you want.
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6 & 8 – $72 Regression
- Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $36 each (Total $72)
- 1st Hit – Win $42
- Immediately take both the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
- You’re now positive $18 and only have casino winnings on the table
- Use the (6) and (8) Collect and Press for the remainder of the shooter’s roll
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6 & 8 – 1-3-2-6 Positive Progression Strategy
- Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
- Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
- 1st Hit – Win $14 – Drop $10 and press the bet to $36 (Net winnings = -$34)
- 2nd Hit – Win $42 – Drop your bet to $24 (Net winnings = $18)
- 3rd Hit – Win $28 – Drop $60 and press your bet to $72 (Net winnings = $0)
- 4th Hit – Win $84 – Take all bets down (Net winnings = $168)
- After taking your bets down and collecting your net winnings of $168, you can wait for the shooter’s roll to end or decide to start the betting progression over.
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6 & 8 – $48 Hit and Spread
- Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $24 each (Total $48)
- 1st Hit – Win $28
- Immediately take the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
- Add the (5) and (9) for $10 each
- After the 1st Hit, you’ll now have 4 inside numbers covered for a $16 investment.
- Utilize a collect and press strategy for the remainder of the roll.
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6 or 8 – Low Roller Inside Spread
- Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
- 1st Hit – Win $14 – Rack $2 and place the opposite number for $12 (Net = -$10)
- 2nd Hit – Win $14 – Collect and rack $14 (Net winnings = $4)
- 3rd Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the (5) or (9) for $10 (Net winnings = $8)
- 4th Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the opposite 5/9 for $10 (Net winnings = $12)
- You now have all inside numbers covered AND a $12 profit.
- Utilize the collect and press strategy for each number covered through the end of the roll.
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6 or 8 – Low Roller Run Up
- Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
- 1st Hit – Win $14
- Parlay your winnings and add $4 to your bet
- Bet is now $30 – Total investment $16
- 2nd Hit – Win $35
- Parlay your winnings and add $1 to your bet
- Bet is now $66 – Total investment of $17
- 3rd Hit – Win $77
- Take all bets down
- 1st Hit – Win $14
- Collect $126 in winnings ($14+$35+$77) from a total investment of $17
- At this point, you can either start the strategy over or wait for the next shooter
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There are many other variations out there, and if you didn’t find one you’re comfortable with above, a quick google search will uncover many, many more.
Keep in mind, no strategy will change the house edge (casino advantage) on the bets placed. The goal is find the betting strategy that works for you and your bankroll and apply it at the right times at the table.
Feel free to share your own (6) and (8) betting strategies in the comments below.
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